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		<title>By: burgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>burgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont usually comment, but after reading through so much info i had to say thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont usually comment, but after reading through so much info i had to say thanks</p>
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		<title>By: brina</title>
		<link>http://www.yanewyork.com/2008/06/the-ya-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>brina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope -- and think -- that most fiction writers are too independent to write solely based upon what the industry wants. Writing a novel takes soul, and I think it&#039;s impossible to put your soul into something just because it&#039;s popular.

Of course there are books out there that are a bit like some Hollywood films: mass-produced, assembly line type things. They exist in almost every genre. But I doubt they&#039;ll ever take over the realm of literature entirely. Writers, readers and even publishers demand more. (Which is not to knock publishers, but just to say that they are at the business end of things and must publish that which they think folks will buy.) From what little I know, the book business is quite different from the movie business in most arenas. Writers are humble little folks who pour themselves into something, create some world in their heads, and &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; pass it on to agents and publishers. I hope there will always be a certain sense of independence amongst writers, who will write what they need to regardless of what demographics demand.

I do appreciate and understand where you&#039;re coming from. Thanks, Frank, for the clarification, and for stopping by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope &#8212; and think &#8212; that most fiction writers are too independent to write solely based upon what the industry wants. Writing a novel takes soul, and I think it&#8217;s impossible to put your soul into something just because it&#8217;s popular.</p>
<p>Of course there are books out there that are a bit like some Hollywood films: mass-produced, assembly line type things. They exist in almost every genre. But I doubt they&#8217;ll ever take over the realm of literature entirely. Writers, readers and even publishers demand more. (Which is not to knock publishers, but just to say that they are at the business end of things and must publish that which they think folks will buy.) From what little I know, the book business is quite different from the movie business in most arenas. Writers are humble little folks who pour themselves into something, create some world in their heads, and <i>then</i> pass it on to agents and publishers. I hope there will always be a certain sense of independence amongst writers, who will write what they need to regardless of what demographics demand.</p>
<p>I do appreciate and understand where you&#8217;re coming from. Thanks, Frank, for the clarification, and for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Cottrell Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Cottrell Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh sheesh maybe you&#039;re all right.
Can I just say that I never meant to say that YA books were like chicken nuggets. I can see how you got there - sloppy metaphor. But i did sort of thnk that the fact that I was giving a rave review to a YA title would have made that clear - and that I&#039;ve been doing just that for years.
I am scarred from years in the film industry where the demographic gave way to second-guessing the demographic, gave way to neer doing anything that in any way would challenge the second-guessed opinions of the demographic and that led to the World you can now see at the Multiplex. Maybe it won&#039;t happen in books. Maybe I&#039;m just too hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh sheesh maybe you&#8217;re all right.<br />
Can I just say that I never meant to say that YA books were like chicken nuggets. I can see how you got there &#8211; sloppy metaphor. But i did sort of thnk that the fact that I was giving a rave review to a YA title would have made that clear &#8211; and that I&#8217;ve been doing just that for years.<br />
I am scarred from years in the film industry where the demographic gave way to second-guessing the demographic, gave way to neer doing anything that in any way would challenge the second-guessed opinions of the demographic and that led to the World you can now see at the Multiplex. Maybe it won&#8217;t happen in books. Maybe I&#8217;m just too hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Listi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Listi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.</description>
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		<title>By: Book Chic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Book Chic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great response, and very well-said (including the comment you wrote to Frank right above my comment)!

I honestly don&#039;t think that YA is limiting to a writer or even a reader- in fact, most YA writers say they love the YA genre because it&#039;s so open and limitless. When you look through a shelf of YA books, there&#039;s so many different genres there- romance, sci-fi, suspense, humor, horror, etc. Not only that, but a lot of YA authors write for adults as well, so they certainly don&#039;t feel constricted to the YA genre.

Yes, we could go straight from children&#039;s to adult books, but I think there&#039;s that whole teenager part that&#039;s forgotten about. Sure, some classics are about teenagers, but there&#039;s so few of them. Now, there&#039;s a whole plethora of teen books which means that there&#039;s more opportunity for teenagers to be reading, and reading something that they actually like (I&#039;m not a huge fan of classics) and can identify with, much like adults do with their books. Why shouldn&#039;t teens be able to do the same? Teens can&#039;t always relate to adults, so going to the adult section at 13 is not necessarily the best thing, in my opinion.

Read more YA books- they&#039;re fantastic, and offer a lot to today&#039;s teenagers. And because of the YA/adult fiction crossover that some authors have (like Meg Cabot and Sarah Mlynowski, mentioned earlier), teenagers are reading adult books as well because they love that author so much that they want to read everything by them. So fans of Meg Cabot&#039;s Princess Diaries series will want to read more, and check out her Queen of Babble adult series or something. The YA section is not as limiting as you seem to think it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great response, and very well-said (including the comment you wrote to Frank right above my comment)!</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t think that YA is limiting to a writer or even a reader- in fact, most YA writers say they love the YA genre because it&#8217;s so open and limitless. When you look through a shelf of YA books, there&#8217;s so many different genres there- romance, sci-fi, suspense, humor, horror, etc. Not only that, but a lot of YA authors write for adults as well, so they certainly don&#8217;t feel constricted to the YA genre.</p>
<p>Yes, we could go straight from children&#8217;s to adult books, but I think there&#8217;s that whole teenager part that&#8217;s forgotten about. Sure, some classics are about teenagers, but there&#8217;s so few of them. Now, there&#8217;s a whole plethora of teen books which means that there&#8217;s more opportunity for teenagers to be reading, and reading something that they actually like (I&#8217;m not a huge fan of classics) and can identify with, much like adults do with their books. Why shouldn&#8217;t teens be able to do the same? Teens can&#8217;t always relate to adults, so going to the adult section at 13 is not necessarily the best thing, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Read more YA books- they&#8217;re fantastic, and offer a lot to today&#8217;s teenagers. And because of the YA/adult fiction crossover that some authors have (like Meg Cabot and Sarah Mlynowski, mentioned earlier), teenagers are reading adult books as well because they love that author so much that they want to read everything by them. So fans of Meg Cabot&#8217;s Princess Diaries series will want to read more, and check out her Queen of Babble adult series or something. The YA section is not as limiting as you seem to think it is.</p>
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		<title>By: brina</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, I appreciate your taking the time to respond. Thanks, also, for the correction. I do feel compelled to point out that your initial response here is identical to the one you posted on another blog. 

As far as what the demographics will do to writers ... well, I imagine we&#039;ll all sit back and say, &quot;Wow. I have a lot of options.&quot;

The existence of a sci fi genre doesn&#039;t keep people from writing books that are not pure science fiction, or simple sci fi pulp. The existence of a romance genre doesn&#039;t mean that all novels with a bit of a love story in them are shelved in the romance section of the book store. But in my opinion, the legitimization of young adult literature opens doors for writers rather than closing them. That, I think, is what you seem to be missing.

Your use of the term &quot;young adult ghetto&quot; is what got people&#039;s hackles up to begin with; additionally, your suggestion that young adult books are like chicken nuggets has upset quite a few writers and readers. &lt;i&gt;To Kill a Mockingbird&lt;/i&gt; is indeed shelved in the YA section, as well as the general fiction and literature section. The creation of a place where there is &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; literature for teens is not a bad thing. It&#039;s amazing. 

By the time I was twelve, I had graduated from what we today call YA. There simply wasn&#039;t enough &quot;scope for the imagination,&quot; or enough writing that addressed teen issues in a realistic way. It&#039;s wonderful that there are now hundreds of books that do speak to teenagers.

Your insistence that there should be no young adult literature is really another way of saying, &quot;Don&#039;t bother the grownups.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, I appreciate your taking the time to respond. Thanks, also, for the correction. I do feel compelled to point out that your initial response here is identical to the one you posted on another blog. </p>
<p>As far as what the demographics will do to writers &#8230; well, I imagine we&#8217;ll all sit back and say, &#8220;Wow. I have a lot of options.&#8221;</p>
<p>The existence of a sci fi genre doesn&#8217;t keep people from writing books that are not pure science fiction, or simple sci fi pulp. The existence of a romance genre doesn&#8217;t mean that all novels with a bit of a love story in them are shelved in the romance section of the book store. But in my opinion, the legitimization of young adult literature opens doors for writers rather than closing them. That, I think, is what you seem to be missing.</p>
<p>Your use of the term &#8220;young adult ghetto&#8221; is what got people&#8217;s hackles up to begin with; additionally, your suggestion that young adult books are like chicken nuggets has upset quite a few writers and readers. <i>To Kill a Mockingbird</i> is indeed shelved in the YA section, as well as the general fiction and literature section. The creation of a place where there is <i>good</i> literature for teens is not a bad thing. It&#8217;s amazing. </p>
<p>By the time I was twelve, I had graduated from what we today call YA. There simply wasn&#8217;t enough &#8220;scope for the imagination,&#8221; or enough writing that addressed teen issues in a realistic way. It&#8217;s wonderful that there are now hundreds of books that do speak to teenagers.</p>
<p>Your insistence that there should be no young adult literature is really another way of saying, &#8220;Don&#8217;t bother the grownups.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Cottrell Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Cottrell Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and that the book is called The Knife of Never Letting Go, not the silent bark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and that the book is called The Knife of Never Letting Go, not the silent bark</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Cottrell Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Cottrell Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can I point out actually that your point number 5 - with which kyrinthia agrees so forcefully - is  identical in tone and meaning to the conclusioin of my article as quoted about two inches above it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can I point out actually that your point number 5 &#8211; with which kyrinthia agrees so forcefully &#8211; is  identical in tone and meaning to the conclusioin of my article as quoted about two inches above it</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Cottrell Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Cottrell Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article was not an attack on YA though I can see the extract makes it read like that. It&#039;s worth pointing out that the article was giving a blisteringly good five star review to a YA book.
My worry is not about readers. Readers are adventurous creatures. I know that.
My worry is about what demographics do in the long term to the writers. 
I really do know about this because I work in the film industry. 
You start by aiming stuff at a demographic. You end up writing for that demographic. And that&#039;s very narrowing both for the writer and the audience.
If you don&#039;t believe me look at your multipliex. Then go and look up what was on at your local cinema twenty years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article was not an attack on YA though I can see the extract makes it read like that. It&#8217;s worth pointing out that the article was giving a blisteringly good five star review to a YA book.<br />
My worry is not about readers. Readers are adventurous creatures. I know that.<br />
My worry is about what demographics do in the long term to the writers.<br />
I really do know about this because I work in the film industry.<br />
You start by aiming stuff at a demographic. You end up writing for that demographic. And that&#8217;s very narrowing both for the writer and the audience.<br />
If you don&#8217;t believe me look at your multipliex. Then go and look up what was on at your local cinema twenty years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: khyrinthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>khyrinthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great response, especially #5. That review Boyce posted both angers and saddens me. YA fiction is not a bunch of chicken nuggets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great response, especially #5. That review Boyce posted both angers and saddens me. YA fiction is not a bunch of chicken nuggets.</p>
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