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	<title>Comments on: The Wizengamot&#8217;s ruling</title>
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		<title>By: brina</title>
		<link>http://www.yanewyork.com/2008/09/the-wizengamots-ruling/comment-page-1/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>brina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, no. Elena, &lt;i&gt;another&lt;/i&gt; podcast? I haven&#039;t finished listening to the first yet! The other was from April, too, I think, but was also ... oh, I see. You&#039;ve got Mugglenet up against the Leaky Cauldron folks, eh?

Well, I have to say I find the whole thing very fascinating. It turns out Rowling DID try to work with Steve, but he wasn&#039;t willing to back off. Which seems silly to me. Furthermore, some of the folks on Mugglenet wisely pointed out that if Rowling eventually lost -- let&#039;s say this went to the Supreme Court or something -- the outcome could have dire effects on people who write fanfic or keep fan sites for authors.

You know, there are a lot of authors who DON&#039;T want any fan sites at all, and although webbish people sort of accepted what Rowling did by allowing fan sites and fan fic and all that to exist as the status quo, she was actually setting a really great example by effectively saying, &quot;Hey, yeah. That&#039;s cool. Go have fun, just don&#039;t make money off MY intellectual property unless you&#039;re adding analysis; you need to have your own creative vision if you&#039;re going to publish a book about the HP universe.&quot;

We&#039;ve all sort of gotten to the point where we think the web is our place to do whatever we like, but that&#039;s not quite accurate. When it comes to another person&#039;s work, it really, really, really is important to be super-careful about how you approach things. Trust me, I know. :)

Anyway, it&#039;s sad that Steve Vander Ark, and more importantly his publishing house, couldn&#039;t work things out before Rowling and WB had to drag them to court. On the other hand, I&#039;d be interested in hearing his opinion on why the book &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; publishable under the fair use clause. No chance he&#039;ll log on here, is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, no. Elena, <i>another</i> podcast? I haven&#8217;t finished listening to the first yet! The other was from April, too, I think, but was also &#8230; oh, I see. You&#8217;ve got Mugglenet up against the Leaky Cauldron folks, eh?</p>
<p>Well, I have to say I find the whole thing very fascinating. It turns out Rowling DID try to work with Steve, but he wasn&#8217;t willing to back off. Which seems silly to me. Furthermore, some of the folks on Mugglenet wisely pointed out that if Rowling eventually lost &#8212; let&#8217;s say this went to the Supreme Court or something &#8212; the outcome could have dire effects on people who write fanfic or keep fan sites for authors.</p>
<p>You know, there are a lot of authors who DON&#8217;T want any fan sites at all, and although webbish people sort of accepted what Rowling did by allowing fan sites and fan fic and all that to exist as the status quo, she was actually setting a really great example by effectively saying, &#8220;Hey, yeah. That&#8217;s cool. Go have fun, just don&#8217;t make money off MY intellectual property unless you&#8217;re adding analysis; you need to have your own creative vision if you&#8217;re going to publish a book about the HP universe.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all sort of gotten to the point where we think the web is our place to do whatever we like, but that&#8217;s not quite accurate. When it comes to another person&#8217;s work, it really, really, really is important to be super-careful about how you approach things. Trust me, I know. <img src='http://www.yanewyork.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s sad that Steve Vander Ark, and more importantly his publishing house, couldn&#8217;t work things out before Rowling and WB had to drag them to court. On the other hand, I&#8217;d be interested in hearing his opinion on why the book <i>is</i> publishable under the fair use clause. No chance he&#8217;ll log on here, is there?</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
		<link>http://www.yanewyork.com/2008/09/the-wizengamots-ruling/comment-page-1/#comment-971</link>
		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, man. This trial has been sort of horrible for the Harry Potter fandom. On one side you have Steve Vander Ark, who many fans have admired and loved. On the other you have Jo Rowling.
I think this situation was handled poorly on both sides, but I think Steve and his publisher should have backed off. Having information online is one thing, profiting off another person&#039;s work is another.
Also, in the world of Harry Potter podcasting, I have to say that I like this better than the link above. http://pottercast.the-leaky-cauldron.org/episode/show/184 It&#039;s from April, but it is a good recap of the trial and its impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, man. This trial has been sort of horrible for the Harry Potter fandom. On one side you have Steve Vander Ark, who many fans have admired and loved. On the other you have Jo Rowling.<br />
I think this situation was handled poorly on both sides, but I think Steve and his publisher should have backed off. Having information online is one thing, profiting off another person&#8217;s work is another.<br />
Also, in the world of Harry Potter podcasting, I have to say that I like this better than the link above. <a href="http://pottercast.the-leaky-cauldron.org/episode/show/184" rel="nofollow">http://pottercast.the-leaky-cauldron.org/episode/show/184</a> It&#8217;s from April, but it is a good recap of the trial and its impact.</p>
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		<title>By: brina</title>
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		<dc:creator>brina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, khy. That&#039;s a great resource. I&#039;m downloading the podcast now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, khy. That&#8217;s a great resource. I&#8217;m downloading the podcast now.</p>
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		<title>By: khy</title>
		<link>http://www.yanewyork.com/2008/09/the-wizengamots-ruling/comment-page-1/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>khy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.mugglenet.com/mugglecast/index.php?page=episodes.php 

If you go there and scroll to episode 142 there&#039;s a great episode about the trial. It came about way before the verdict, but still.</description>
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<p>If you go there and scroll to episode 142 there&#8217;s a great episode about the trial. It came about way before the verdict, but still.</p>
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		<title>By: brina</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few more things. Vander Ark claims that Warner Brothers borrowed from the Lexicon when they made an official timeline and put it on disc two of the &lt;i&gt;Chamber of Secrets&lt;/i&gt; DVD. He (accidentally) used something John Green refers to in &lt;i&gt;Paper Towns&lt;/i&gt;: a mistake in his work: 

&quot;How do I (Steve Vander Ark) know that they borrowed the timeline from the Lexicon? Because I had made a tiny, stupid little typo on my day-by-day calendar of the first book. I had accidentally put the first visit of Harry and Ron to Hagrid&#039;s cabin on Saturday instead of Friday. I did that because I write Monday-through-Friday schedules all the time as part of my job, filling information onto week grids. The last square of the calendar I work on usually is Friday, so I put the visit to Hagrid&#039;s cabin in the last square without thinking. That typo is reproduced in the &quot;official&quot; timeline on the DVD.&quot;

Also: Jo Rowling did indeed give the HP Lexicon her Fan Site Award in 2004. Again, it&#039;s sad to see a good relationship come to this sort of an end; we know that she appreciated Vander Ark&#039;s work up to a point. But at what point was it plagiarism, or IP theft, rather than a dedicated fan doing his best to put together a complete timeline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few more things. Vander Ark claims that Warner Brothers borrowed from the Lexicon when they made an official timeline and put it on disc two of the <i>Chamber of Secrets</i> DVD. He (accidentally) used something John Green refers to in <i>Paper Towns</i>: a mistake in his work: </p>
<p>&#8220;How do I (Steve Vander Ark) know that they borrowed the timeline from the Lexicon? Because I had made a tiny, stupid little typo on my day-by-day calendar of the first book. I had accidentally put the first visit of Harry and Ron to Hagrid&#8217;s cabin on Saturday instead of Friday. I did that because I write Monday-through-Friday schedules all the time as part of my job, filling information onto week grids. The last square of the calendar I work on usually is Friday, so I put the visit to Hagrid&#8217;s cabin in the last square without thinking. That typo is reproduced in the &#8220;official&#8221; timeline on the DVD.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also: Jo Rowling did indeed give the HP Lexicon her Fan Site Award in 2004. Again, it&#8217;s sad to see a good relationship come to this sort of an end; we know that she appreciated Vander Ark&#8217;s work up to a point. But at what point was it plagiarism, or IP theft, rather than a dedicated fan doing his best to put together a complete timeline?</p>
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